Dickens rescued) They did not want to lose their Skin in this deadly game while other Americans bravely went to war. For those interested in learning more about the F4 Phantom air war , I Remember VietNam by William L Barker , Major USAFR (Ret) is a great book.This first person account is full of operational data and pilot insights.All aviation enthusiasts will appreciate its nuances. Your comments and wisdom are much appreciated. At this point I could only pray he would revive by the time he reached the ground. I hope to be delighted with more of your anecdotes. According to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association, a total of 11,846 helicopters were shot down or crashed during the war, resulting in nearly 5,000 American pilots and crew killed. Jan 12, 06:12 PM. The four-foot stabilizing chute was severed, my lap belt was opened and the butt snapper straps straightened, booting me out of the seat while simultaneously pulling the ripcord that would deploy my parachute. P.463, Migs over North Vietnam: The Vietnam People's Air Force in Combat, 196575, Stackpole Military History, Crashed while attempting emergency landing, Phantom with U.S. Marine Corps (Joe Baugher), List of United States aerial victories of the Vietnam War, South Viet Nam Airforce VNAF Equipment. By The Associated Press. We were together at MacDill in the F-4 but rotated at different times into SEA. There will always be those who dont get it. God Bless You for your service. My brother got spit on when he landed in Atlanta on his way home. Having been a teenager in Vietnam years, I had a Vietnam map on my bedroom wall and marked bombing missions that Cronkite would report that night. The control stick was lazily wandering left and right; the throttles were all the way forward in the full afterburner position but there was no thrust coming from the J-79s. Final loss: EC-47Q 43-48636 (361st Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron, 56th SOW) shot down in Laos on the night of 04/5 45 February 1973, killing all 8 crewmen. I learned Russian and some higher math. Sir, the airplane was in a SAM break two days ago. October 26, 1967: A-4E Skyhawk BuNo. A well? A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he values above his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of men better than himself.. We should have learned from the last two years of the Korean War that China would not be deterred from conventional warfare by enormous pounding of both front-line forces and non-stop interdiction. I never came face-to-face with either asshole but I emailed the flight lead recently and told him off that he was incompetent, got Scotty Wilson killed, cost the USAF an F-4, caused my Fathers premature death and was responsible for unimaginable hardships for Scottys widow and daughter not to mention my 6+ years in prison. God Bless America and her brave warriors! Mr. Crecca Thank you for your courageous service in the Phabulous Phighter (F-4) and your extraordinary service as a POW. How about that for a cool presence of mind? If you are wondering how this is possible, I will reveal at the outset that it is not possible. Ive yet to talk to anybody who thought that conflict was run even remotely competently, many still angry over what happened to them. The 366th TFW Gunfighters consisted of three squadrons; 389th, 390th and the 480th. USAF/ Air National Guard (Retired). As I learned about him, I remember more of him lecturing rather than delivering the news. You who kept the supplies coming to us were a vital part of the war effort. It was a moving story. But there was no SAM. My arms were tied behind my back with the elbows laced tightly together. A C-47 was the very first USAF aircraft lost in the SEA conflict, C-47B 44-76330 (315th Air Division) on TDY at. For the next two hours I ate dust, dirt, rust flakes and rodent droppings as we pounded our way over the worst rutted roads into Hanoi. At least 68 people were killed Sunday when an aircraft went down near the city of Pokhara in central Nepal, a government official said, the country's deadliest plane crash in more than 30 years. My hats off to those who served. The upper estimate puts it at nearly 260 million! 9 of the losses were parked aircraft struck by rockets. Scotty then took control of the airplane as we proceeded to follow our leader along the preplanned route. Charles Barbin DeBellevue successfully shot down a North Vietnamese-flown Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 from their McDonnell Douglas F-4D Phantom II. But survival instincts and thorough ejection training were running the show. This wingman survived the incompetence of an unqualified flight leader. Scotty was probably hit by shrapnel from the missile. Dak Harney Peak who did far less than Dulles. The explosion was ear-splitting and seemed to go on and on. The first and only fatal crash by an RAAF aircraft in Thailand. | site designed by. Then we switched roles and Scotty flew while I coordinated the rendezvous. Theyd land opposite direction on the same runway. Two years ago I walked through the front door of Hoa Lo. Thank you for your expressions of gratitude, sir. The claimed flying aces of the Vietnam War, pilots who shot down five or more enemy aircraft, include 19 North Vietnamese pilots (six MiG-17 and 13 MiG-21 pilots),[1]:228 and five Americans. I think of you often and was looking forward to seeing you again. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he values above his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of men better than himself. Scottys arms seemed to be at his sides and head slumped forward. The White House approved a retaliatory air strike, but by the time it got there, the SAM batteries were long gone. I saw an F-4 fly low into Firebase Bastogne in January 1969 and pickle a few rounds on the guys that were over-running our base. The bomb release button was now hot! Im an alumnus of the 480th TFS myself ( USAFE, 78-80) and wish you all the best . But, instead of cutting through my throat, as Id imagined, the blade moved away, cutting the helmet strap. We were going to make it. And Mr. Crecca, again, I thank you. Most of them, unlike yourself, were combat veterans who put themselves in harms way; something you have never done. u-6 losses need added all are army fixed wing aircraft, 5,195+ (which include not in addition to the above statistics)[2], North Vietnam captured 877 South Vietnamese aircraft at war's end. On their MiG-killing mission of Jun. And the Officer Effectiveness Report (OER) of the guy leading our flight would be written by the DO. Thank You for your service. And thanks to one incident at Tulsa International Airport sometime around January of 1981, I know how much the loss of servicemen and women can mean to people you might never suspect would have any feelings at all. This is known as temporal distortion. I reached bingo, bingo minus 5, minus 10, minus 15, and reported to lead each time. I was the mouse. Sad to hear that your Dad didnt tell you much about his missions. Defense Department officials say 1st Lt. Carl D. Nesbitt died when his plane was shot down in May . Cmon man, show some class! There were a total a 269 American and enemy aircraft shot down in air-to-air combat over Vietnam during the entire war201 in fights between the U.S. Air Force and North Vietnamese air force and just 68 in the U.S. Navy's air battles with the North Vietnamese. Final loss: A84-228 shot down by two SA-2 SAM missiles on 14 March 1971; Wing Commander F. J. L. Downing and Flight Lieutenant A.J. 1850 I have reflected a great deal on how unprepared politically and militarily the US was for the asymetrical brush fire we stumbled into. And I still think of that crash not itself something that caused a loss of life, but something that reminds me of how significant the memory of wounded F-4 pilots, limping back to base in badly-damaged airplanes, was, and is, to those who served during the Vietnam war. After liftoff, caution must be exercised to avoid over-rotation. Elizabeth Hartsook, Stuart Slade. The soil was mercifully soft, loose and moist. Of course, things were beginning to wind down in Viet Nam by this time, but it was still mega impressive to see the F-4s light em up and blast off the runway like angry rocket-powered birds of prey searching for their next meal! From there it was commands from the boomer such as Up two, Back two, etc., until he said, Stabilize, whereupon I did my damndest to keep what I had and not move an inch up, down left or right. I have four children- ages 34, 30, 11 and 8 and am Grandma to 3 ages 8, 8 & 5. But that's exactly what happened to Bill Arcuri when he was forced to bail out of his damaged plane over Vietnam. The Vietnam Years. Your reaction to my article bears the stamps of liberalist tradition unhampered by progress, reveals a lack of understanding of politics on the world stage and shows complete disrespect for the sacrifices made by all Vietnam combat veterans. It was the determination of President Richard M. Nixon to mount Operation Linebacker II, sending B-52s to attack the capital city of Hanoi and the port city of Haiphong, forcing the communists back to the peace conference in Paris that resulted in the end of the Vietnam War and the release of the prisoners-of-war. 8081, Air War Vietnam Plans and Operations 19691975. Joes epilogue sums it all up. Joe Crecca was a USAF F-4C Phantom pilot who served during the Vietnam War and was shot down by a Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) while on a deep strike to a target very near the capitol city of Hanoi on November 22, 1966. They all worked too. The SA-2 brought down many American pilots over North Vietnam. I went down to about 125 in the winter of 1968. Just to the right of Scottys lifeless figure was the light-brown and white cloud characteristic of an SA-2 detonation! 17 apr 1966: arab 511, an a-1h (buno 135398), lt (jg) william l. tromp, va-115, went down following a night attack on coastal targets, near approximately 1818'n, 10610'e. arab 506, his wingman,. Yes, it is tainted with much uncertainty to which you allude. These were probably the local militia. For the briefest moment I contemplated that a right 60 degree turn would take me via the shortest route out of NVN. Soviet General Fesenko, the main Soviet adviser to the North Vietnamese Air Force in 1972, recorded 34 MiG-21s destroyed in 1972. At this moment, I felt a great calm envelope me. I flew Phantoms until leaving to fly transports for Flying Tigers and then Federal Express. Japan, who woulda thunk it? Before I could muse over any more unhappy endings, I was dropped onto the floor. Joe, Caribou A4-193 was destroyed by mortar fire while taxiing at That Son (near the Cambodian border) on 29 March 1970. Lt Cmdr Frederick P Crosby had been deployed on the Bon Homme Richard, an Essex-class aircraft carrier stationed off the Vietnam coast His planed crashed in 1965 in front of Pham Van Truong's. I then drew my .38 caliber service revolver, opened the cylinder, emptied all the ammunition and threw it away. Daily Kos moves in solidarity with the Black community. Mr. Creccas response (farther below) displays considerably more class than that displayed by b fearn in this particular instance. The baro switch was supposed to open my chute at 10,000 ft. Thank you for your email. If the MiGs didnt come up, he couldnt have a chance to shoot one down. The United States loses its first B-52 of the war. P.39, Toperczer, Istvan. But I did not. He wasnt much of a story teller and I didnt think to ask him about his service until after he died. He is presently a retired airline pilot who originally flew for The Flying Tiger Line in DC-8s and 747s and then MD-11s for FedEx. 12,000 helicopters An Air Force pilot and air commando who was shot down in 1970 during the Vietnam War will be buried at the Air Force Academy. Scotty hadnt regained consciousness. I still know where the CB is. Top rudder pedal, however, broke us out at about 5 grand. Glad you made it home safe after 6 years in the north. Tried to cross-service in 64 or 65 to Army for WO pilot program, but because I was already in the military (being in a critical COMSEC AFSC probably didnt help), I was offered no guarantee of flight training, so I withdrew the request otherwise, I may have been one of your grateful students, or still buried in some shallow grave. All this took no more than one second. I put off law school acceptance for a year to volunteer for the combat tour instead. While the Vietnamese and Chinese have a long history of ethnic combat, the Chinese were happy to limit both Russian and American military influence in SE Asia, by replacing every bullet fired by North Vietnam. Its a real shame but they ruined a perfectly good pair of nearly new, highly-polished USAF flying boots with zippers; they cut right through the damn zippers! They would persistently be trying to attack me while the militia men unemotionally fended them off. Dulles International Needs a name change. when the canopy rails are parallel to the ground, the nose is 10-12 degrees up. We can only hope that the current and subsequent generations will take J.S. Iwo Jima. And we were just below that weight when we left Danang AB, RVN from runway 17L on the 22ndof November 1966. One night I flew #2 to a newly crowned pentagon prince. Enroute, we learned USAF had discovered a major truck convoy up near the Plain of Jars, wanting help. At this moment the twin J-79 afterburners are briefly licking at the runway with two, huge, yellow-orange flames. Well b fearn, you have a right to make your comment and your opinion, but I do not believe this is the time or place. Using first-hand accounts from diary entries, letters, and family stories, Snyder revives experiences that are accessible and relevant both to historians and readers with a casual interest in . Manacles were locked onto my wrists as well. And I mourn their deaths. By this time I was at 1,500 ft. In 1973, American POWs finally came home. Vietnam will eventually strive throughout S.E. To increase air support for the SEALORDS Operation in South Vietnam's Mekong Delta, the Navy "borrowed" twenty North American Aviation OV-10A Broncos from the United States Marine Corps. Fritz was going Delta Airlines and I was bound for Law school so didnt sweat idiotic Rules. The United States, along with their allies (The Republic of Vietnam, South Korean, Australian, Thailand, New Zealand), lost about 12,500 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do & die.. Dinh . Model names were normalized in 1962 to UH-1s. They never attack until they do it. So that the pilot does not have to be utilizing his attitude indicator for this, the canopy rails happen to be canted downward at just the correct angle making it possible to perform the takeoff maneuver using purely visual references, e.g. 17, 1965, Commander Lou Page (pilot) and Lieutenant JC Smith were flying F-4B bureau number (buno) 150646 not 151488 as sometimes reported. I remember their faces were not contorted with anger or hatred but rather with kind expressions of understanding almost bordering on a smile. This room was known, unaffectionately, by all who suffered there as the room with the green, bumpy walls. Seated on a small, wooden stool, the interrogation began in the usual way with, Name, rank, serial number and date of birth. When I refused to reply to any further questions except by repeating my name, rank, serial number and date of birth, my interrogating officer, in a most sinister way, and in a very convincing manner said, Crecca, you will die in Vietnam. In a matter of minutes I was bound with ropes. Were there any female prisoners of war in Vietnam? Osprey 2001, No. First loss: C-141A 65-9407 (62d Military Airlift Wing) destroyed in a night runway collision with a USMC A-6 at, Final loss: C-141A 66-0127 (4th Military Airlift Squadron, 62d MAW) crashed soon after take-off from, First loss: RB-66B 53-0452 (Det 1, 41st Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron, 6250th Combat Support Group) which crashed 2223 October 1965 west of. Joe ( and Gus), Im honored to have met and flown with both of you with FEDEX. Knowing you were handled so badly by your bosses has to be a tough thing to take. Phew III! I served as Navy, lost friends both in country and after returning home with one still carried as MIA Army Helicopter Pilot. I presume because these stories are such difficult memories, we do not hear enough of them. Ronald Fogleman was shot down in the I Corps area 200 miles (320 km) north of Bien Hoa while flying aircraft 56-3245. My father (deceased) served in the Army in Korea and my son served as an Army Combat Medic deployed to Afghanistan. Sharing your story forward. We did not know if anyone survived! Joe, Joe, Every Friday Im privileged to have lunch with a WWII veteran who flew virtually every airplane in the arsenal of the time. Black Hills just changed So. The U.S records showing 5,607 helicopter losses[2]. In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes,[3] 5,607 helicopters[2] and 578 UAVs[1] ). The United States lost 578 UAVs (554 over Vietnam and 24 over China). It was noon. At 10,000 ft, the automatic man-seat separation features operated exactly as advertised. Presidio Press. Its entirely, entirely because of you guys. Its guys like you who Ive tried to be like when it became my turn to sit in the left seat. The American aces flew as members of two-man crews on F-4 Phantoms, reflecting the emergence of air-to-air missiles as the primary weapons of aerial combat. By 0900, my front-seater, 1stLt. Gordon Scotty Wilson and I were walking onto the north ramp to our weapons- and fuel-laden F-4C number 64-0755. I wish I could have expressed my thanks to your Elder Eagle for successfully completing his mission to spring me out of jail. From the refueling track exit over northern Thailand, our route took us over northern Laos and into North Vietnam. Notes. Compare these massive figures to the six million Jewish folks who perished in the WWII Holocaust. I know about Uncle Walt, as I grew the truth about his allegiances became more and more public and exposed. It was a bittersweet event and Im so grateful I was able to attend. Outwardly grateful to Jesus Christ above all and to our United States military service members is the way of life I choose to live and pass on to my children. He told me to find him. During the Vietnam War, thousands of U.S. aircraft were lost to antiaircraft artillery (AAA), surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), and fighter interceptors ( MiG )s. The great majority of U.S. combat losses in all areas of Southeast Asia were to AAA. They performed as they were asked. It was very kind of you to drive the 40 miles and spend the time to honor the memory of my brother, your fellow employee at Flying Tigers and FedEx. I cannot express my admiration for you and others who went thru what you did. First loss: 560937 (476th TFS, 497th TFW) shot down by enemy ground fire during CAS mission near Tri Dao, Vietnam, on 29 June 1965, pilot Capt. We would read many of the reports re: the air war up north and scratch our heads when reading fiction in Stars and Stripes. [9][10]:268. The result of the egotistical attitude by the DO and the lack of courage and sound judgement by our flight leader cost Scotty Wilson his life, put me in communist prisons for over six years, resulted in my fathers untimely death at the age of 58 and a host of other horrors back home while I was away. What was the first C-47 plane shot down in Vietnam? He didnt shoot at anyone. Scotty gave the Phantom back to me and then it was my turn. As I approached the left wing in my walk around, I noticed a large patch, roughly 30 by 8 riveted just inboard of the left wing-fold. Of those servicepeople, 2,382 were killed while serving aboard UH-1 Iroquois, better known as the ubiquitous "Huey." 1LT ALDRICH ROBERT HENRY BNR 12/27/1971154013 HMM-165 WO1 ALEXANDER BARRY KENNETH KIA 09/22/196968-513/68-23 71 AHC CPT ALEXANDER DAVID LEE KIA 02/06/197170-20 67-18493178 ASHC Thanks for the details as I knew Scotty had been shot down but was always hoping his name would appear on the POW list. Thank you sir for your service. I yelled on the intercom, Deep six check! Upon arrival at the Hoa Lo prison, I was placed in a dimly-lit room with light green, uneven walls. I didnt know the Marine who was killed as he lit a cigarette on Iwo Jima any more than I knew Scotty Wilson, and yet, thanks to that brief story by my father, and thanks to a longer and more detailed story by Joe Crecca, I feel I do know these servicemen. North Vietnam, pre-1975: Killing of Two American Pilots Shot Down Over North Vietnam IIR Casualty files | William A. Ott. 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