The Grumman Pilots Association and Grumman Gang are additional resources, and enthusiastic support is available to the owner community in the form of online forums and video tutorials. The Tiger I fly is 900lbs. Still not fast enough to be a real cross country plane, imho. Since it is a tube and fabric airplane, its best to keep it in a hangar. The 172 is basically the big sister to the 152-it's a nearly identical airframe, just larger in every dimension to hold four people. Gulfstream ceased production of all piston-engined aircraft in 1979 and the highly successful Tiger design went out of production after 1323 aircraft had been delivered. With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buckcomes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get the most speed for the least cost, Greg said. Load carrying capability. If my friend buys it, I'll get a checkout from the current owner, who is a CFI before we start working in it. ). I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. Approximately half are ADS-B-compliant, and most have midtime engines. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. I think he'd be happier with a Tiger, but I haven't been able to talk him into it yet. The manufacturing history of the AA-5 series is a colorful one. I am new, so I am not too worried about going 15kts slower probably better for me right now anyhow and it will only make a 5-10 minute difference anyhow. Gross weight was increased from the AA-5/AA-5A's 2,200 lb (1,000 kg) to 2,400 lb (1,100 kg) on the Tiger. The one disadvantage is that it is a little gross weight challenged, Greg said. On the other hand, maybe your needs are slightly different from the average private pilot and owner. If you plan to carry heavy loads, you should go with the Cessna 172. Members only needed a current medical, current flight review, CFI checkout with logbook entry for the club aircraft make and model, and at least 10 hours in tailwheel aircraft. first Tiger policy premium was $2,360 in 1996, which was slightly higher than the Citabria. Tiger owner here. Its nimble in the air, seats four, and has a good cruising speed with minimal fuel burn. Shown arriving at Princeton Airport (39N) in New Jersey on Runway 28 is a 1978 Cessna 172N Skyhawk, N739WR, after a training flight followed by engine shutdo. The most affordable single-engine planes. One consideration is thatlong-termyou have to plan for fabric recovery and fabric repair. The Cessna 150 is a two-seater aircraft, whereas the Cessna 172 is a lot larger than the Cessna 150, having four seats. So which aircraft is better? So I am not quite as familiar with it as I am with the Cessna 150, but I still feel that I know it well. One of the challenges is finding instructors who can teach in it whether its tailwheel or aerobatic. The main differences between the Piper Archer and Cessna 172 are: The Piper Archer has only one door on the right-hand side for access, whereas the Cessna 172 has two doors on each side of the aircraft. Its only got two seats anda relatively small baggagecompartment, so itwould be similar to taking a 152 on a cross-country trip probably not your first choice, but certainly capable for one or two people with no bags. Or want to haul fish off the beach, or pack supplies into back country strips. Even if you dont use the Citabria for aerobatics, there is something romantic about flying a taildragger with a stick particularly one that is light and responsive to control inputs. Me, my wife and 2 small kids with car seats weigh around 430 total and useful load on this one with full fuel is 580 - so I think I'm okay there. That said, the Citabria is a good aircraft to use for tailwheel training. It could also be used for simple aerobatic training things like aileron rolls, loops, spins, and upset recovery. Some smaller pilots struggle to fly the Cessna 172, while some large people find they have problems in the Cessna 150, The Cessna 172 is more expensive to buy, and also to hire, than the Cessna 150, Although both types are very safe, the Cessna 172 is said to be significantly safer. Topping the range is the AA-5B Tiger, which entered production as a 1975 model and differed from the Cheetah primarily by being equipped with the more powerful 180 hp Lycoming O-360. I've already got a bird that will eat a Tiger up.. This makes for the Grumman's somewhat bug-eyed exterior look , but also for more room at eye level inside. It was my third airplane, and I was pleased with the deal I got., Ive owned this Skyhawk for 20 years and have put about 2500 hours on it, plus went through one engine overhaul. Ron, correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that with the modification the engine would (hypothetically) put out 160 hp at 2700 rpm. Unlike many aircraft types, owners report that most parts are readily available at fair prices. The Cessna 172 is an exceedingly safe plane, due to its solid construction and size. Mojogrip online https://mojogrip.net Add me on Instagram https://goo.gl/U7Fcca Add me on Facebook https://goo.gl/rbjE6N Back with the second half of Krish's . Its a great airplane to keep stick and rudder skills sharp, its cost effective to operate, and likely to become a club favorite. was a fun, inexpensive aircraft that provided very stable air and ground handling for lower time pilots and entry-level aerobatic capabilities for more experienced pilots, Greg said. Seriously, the acquisition cost is the least of his worries. The specs list the cruise speed at 139 knots, but Greg said theFlying Educators usually fly ateconomy cruise and get 115ktsto 120ktsground speed whilethe180-hp Lycoming O360 burns 10 gph. If you touch it, its going to move an aileron or elevator, Mike said. moved! Major overhauls were cheap. This isn't chump speed, since the AA-5, by virtue of its slab-sided honeycomb panel fuselage, is hardly slick in the drag department. If you have not yet registered, you can. Jason McDowell is a private pilot and Cessna 170 owner based in Madison, Wisconsin. Join Us | Member Benefits |News| Events |Contact Us. include the 150-hp AA5 Traveler and AA5A Cheetah, and the 160-hp GA7 Cougar. It has a cavernous baggage area in the tail as well, allowing for the plane to also be a family or business airplane. Its well suite, Grumman produced the AA5B Tiger from 1975 through 1979, and then American General produced the AG5B Tiger from 1991 through 1993. The clubwanted an airplane better suited for cross-country travelandthey settled on the Grumman AA5B Tiger. Still, I think the additional climb rate of the Tiger makes it a better choice, even if speed is not a major concern. It is, nevertheless, an item to confirm during a pre-purchase inspection. 180-hp Lycoming O360 burns 10 gph. The bonded aluminum construction eliminates the need for rivets, so even sitting on the ground it looks sleek. 2. ). The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. The AA-5 series serves as an interesting alternative to the comparable Cessna and Piper models that make up the general aviation fleet. The hierarchy of personal general aviation aircraft types has, over the years, come to be defined by certain mainstays. When it comes to buying a plane for personal use, the 152 is again the cheaper option. It was developed from the 1948 Cessna 170 but with tricycle landing gear rather than conventional landing gear.The Skyhawk name was originally used for a trim package, but was later applied to . Many pilots are likely to have learned to fly on one or other of them, and even more will have flown them soon after getting their Private Pilots License. At these airframe weights, 20hp buys a good bit of forgiveness. Insurance premiums went from over $3,000 in 2002 to over $6,000 in 2010. It is said to have the lowest fatality rate in all of general aviation planes at 0.56 per 100,000 flying hours. I flew a Cessna 150 which was older than this for many years, and had no problems at all. Cheetahs are faster than Tigers. Its very responsive. I am very familiar with both these aircraft types. The Cessna 172, on the other hand, is still being produced. It also makes a nice IFR-platform if it is properly equipped. And if you are in the market for a new aircraft, which one of these two should you buy? Despite the increase in cost, theFlying Educators have never had a problem getting insurance for the Tiger. The Tiger has a published book cruise speed of 139 knots but owners generally plan on real-world speeds of 130 to 138 knots. You solo it from thefront so youve got good visibility, and, like the Champ it is derived from, it is an easy, forgiving airplane. With the assistance of aircraft designer Roy LoPresti, the airframe was cleaned up to reduce drag, the horizontal stabilizer was enlarged to increase elevator authority and expand the CG range, and fuel capacity went from 37 to 52 gallons. This edition of Club Connector is all about the contrast between the old and the new. In the early 90s up to the when the Flying Educators sold the Citabria in 1995, the hourly rate was $21 wet, and the monthly club dues were $42. In the year or two Greg was in the club while it operated the Citabria, there were no new members without prior tailwheel experience. Seemed like a decent plane. AboutPressCopyrightContact. There is a reason why so many people fly the Cessna 172, and why it is said to be the most popular aircraft ever produced. And a little more economically., Mike from Aero on Demand added, Besides the RV, its the fastest 180-hp airplane out there with a fixed-pitch prop. The Citabria is a derivative of the Aeronca Champ and was first produced in 1964 by Champion Aircraft Corporation. The Cessna 150 is a two-seater aircraft, whereas the Cessna 172 is a lot larger than the Cessna 150, having four seats. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. The Cessna 150-152 and light taildraggers have been the stalwarts of basic, entry-level aviation. Aerodynamischer Feinschliff verbesserte die Reisegeschwindigkeit von 139 auf 143 Knoten. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. We havent had any major problems with the Tiger., Aero on Demand said annuals without squawks. It continued to look good until it was sold. Grumman Tiger. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. Aircraft Spotlight: Comparing the Citabria and the Grumman Tiger, FAA publishes 'Aviation Weather Handbook'. This appealing blend can be found elsewhere, but few options supplement it with the robust network of parts, service and support enjoyed by Grumman owners. Plenty stable for instrument flight, and yes I fly IFR in mine.. You know I looked for it briefly and couldnt find it. Hi, Eddie, I'm at KHWO, too! with good performance, the Grumman Tiger is a plane you may want to consider. The lineage began with Jim Bedes homebuilt BD-1, which first flew in 1963. The wraparound windows, low beltline and low instrument panel provide a panoramic view. During climb and cruise, an AA-5 pilot would be well-advised to closely monitor cylinder-head temperatures, which can run high. Die Grumman-Tiger-Familie im Steckbrief AG-5B haben eine praktische, auf beiden Seiten aufklappbare Cowling und ein verbessertes Heizungs- und Lftungssystem. Externally the Tiger looked much like the AA-5 Traveler and AA-5A Cheetah so once again Grumman's marketing department came up with a distinctive decal package to differentiate the design this time a "galloping tiger". They can provide anything for the airplanewheels, wheel pants, windshields, cowlings, anything you need for a Tiger or similar Grumman aircraftthey can provide.. Wow, that is a beautiful Tiger, congrats! Are the LoPresti Tiger cowls in production yet? At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. Moving to the Grumman Tiger meant they could have a four-place aircraft better suited for cross-country travel and still have a plane that was responsive. assistance. Help me understand the wing structure. Insurance for our 1979 Citabria (Model 7-ECA) was $870 in 89 and had risen to $2,195 when we sold it in 95, Greg said. The seats move further forward in the more modern versions of the Cessna 172, but even so, I find it easier to fly the Cessna 150, where everything is within easy reach. This month we will compare the two aircraft the Flying Educators have operated in their 57-year history the Citabriaand theGrumman Tiger. Among thedifferencesare enginesize,with variations from 115 hp to 180 hp, and whether the wing spar is metal or wood. Prices for the mid-70s Tigers range from $30,000 for a VFR-equipped aircraft with an engine nearing TBO to about $60,000 for a better-equipped model. Owners of both these aircraft types usually like them a lot. The hull is insured at $65,000 with $1 million liability. The four-place Grumman AA-5 family might be one of the better-kept secrets, offering the simplicity of a Cessna 172 while approaching the cruise speed of a similarly powered Mooney. Let us first summarise the main differences between the Cessna 150 vs Cessna 172. You can literally fly with your pinkies.. AA-5B Tiger. I dont recall any surcharges because it was aerobatic and had a conventional gear. If it is a new paint job people have got stripper in the joints remember this plane is glued together and stripper in the glue is bad, make sure this did not happen. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. We have moved! The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. I must admit to being biased here. many destinations within a 500-mile radius, including the Bahamas. Former Flying Educators Club Secretary and Treasurer Greg Utley shares his thoughts on both aircraft. The final variant of the AA-5 line was the AA-5B Tiger. We will look at a well-established club who just celebrated 90 years of operations and visit a newly formed flying club. Similar four-seatGrummansinclude the 150-hp AA5 Traveler and AA5A Cheetah, and the 160-hp GA7 Cougar. I did. Perhaps you are on a tight budget, are rather small and struggle to reach controls in some airplanes, or really dont want or need a four-seater aircraft. Flying Educators requires members to already have their Private Pilot Certificate, but Greg would recommend the aircraft as a primary trainer. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by WVTexan, Nov 21, 2013. It s the same friendly, informative place for all things Cessna 172, now with a larger group of pilots and state-of-the-art forum software. With a fuel burn at cruise of around 5 GPH, she does better than my Chevy S10. login you will see the new forum. I have a bunch of time in the Cheetah and a friend has a Traveller with the 160hp-not 160hp STC - great little planes. Citabria burned about 5 to 6 gph, making it economical to operate. Before I bought my Grumman Tiger, I was in a flying club and flew a Cessna Cardinal. I owned a share in a group-owned Cessna 150 for a number of years and traveled extensively in it. Enter your Username and Password to log in. Theyre fast little airplanes.. Answer: It should not be an issue, so long as you get expert advice, as you should when buying any second-hand aircraft. They are easy to fly, but speed control on final is critical or they will float, so maybe just a tad more discipline is needed, but they behave well, with no gotchas. The cost of ownership includes the original purchase price of the airplane, then you have you fixed cost like hangar, insurance etc. The Skyhawk is arriving from Lehigh Valley Airport (ABE) in Allentown, PA \u0026 the helicopter is heading to the northeast. Private and Commercial helicopter licenses and Instructor Rating were quickly added to her resume. However, the fun-factor overrode practicality from time to time.. With a, fixed-pitch prop and fixed gear, its simple to operate. . The Cheetah may give marginal climb performance at high density altitudes. Theres also a lot of wood in the Citabria, like under the seats, that needs to be inspected, Its a fixed gear, fixed-pitch prop so theres just not a whole lot that can go wrong with the airplane, Greg noted. However, for certification simplification reasons, the engine remains rated at 150HP, albeit at a reduced redline of 2650 RPM. The cockpit of the Cessna 150 is very cramped. Devoid of rivets and corrugated aluminum, its the secret behind the AA-5s speed. Stalling and spinning are very benign in both types. When we're not in the air, we're here helping others how to join us here at Aviator Insider. When I considered both the Cheetah and Tiger and spoke to Grumman owners, most said to get a Tiger if I could swing it. But in the mid-90s, they decided to make a change[see this months Club Spotlight]. I don't think 150 nm is enough distance to justify flying. This helps tremendously because all of the cost of ownership, flight and maintenance are all shared equally among the 4 partners. It continued to look good until it was sold. just ain't that kind of aircraft. But by all means give it a try and see how you get on. It burns 7 gph and the clubcharges $86 an hour. Grumman produced the AA5B Tiger from 1975 through 1979, and then American General produced the AG5B Tiger from 1991 through 1993. Additionally, the airplane can be flown with a partially open canopy, which improves the experience even further. And, if you are doing aerobatics, you need parachutes that need to be repacked regularly, which would add a cost. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Has that been resolved and/or what years should one stay away from? Our Citabria wasnt re-covered during the time Flying Educators owned it, Greg said. Although the airplane hasnt been manufactured for quite some time, Greg said parts are easy to get. Editorial Team Cessna 172 Skyhawk. site, simply click the Register button on the Pilots Place login page to sign Please head over to our new home at the Pilot s Place Forum. Depending on how much exposure it has to the sun, it will need to be replaced generally about every 25 to 30 years. The later versions produced in the 1990s and 2000s will cost a bit more with prices in the $75,000 to $100,000 range. Every time I think of trading up, I have a hard time thinking of selling a really good airplane , The Cessna 150 is the best simple and economical airplane one could ask to own. Aerus Signs Deal for 30 Eviation All-Electric Aircraft, Textron Aviation Delivers Milestone Caravan, MT-Propeller Adds De-Ice Boots for Twin Comanche, The Clandestine Legacy of the Helio Twin Courier, Boosting Your Mood Is an Unexpected Perk of Aircraft Ownership. Fold down back seats make an awesome cargo hauler with over 6-1/2 feet of room. I don't think 150 nm is enough distance to justify flying. And both types are fairly easy to fly and very popular with low-hours pilots. A number of Cheetahs can be found equipped with the 180 hp O-360, which is available as an STC. At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. The hull is insured at $65,000 with $1 million liability. The Cessna 172 is a lot more powerful than the Cessna 150. Accordingly, a good, reliable engine-monitoring system is a wise investment, and with the proper adapter, savvy buyers can download engine-monitor data to observe how a seller has been treating the engine. $37.09 + $15.58 shipping . "Three or four of the 10 members would use it for aerobatics a lot. Greg said. Bill & Carol Scott, who own the high-compression STC, don't have the resources to do the full testing and certification protocol themselves, so the modified Cheetah is artificially limited to 157 hp to conform to the original specs. Its a fixed gear, fixed-pitch prop so theres just not a whole lot that can go wrong with the airplane, Greg noted. Answer: Some tall people manage fine, but it must be said that the Cessna 150 cockpit is very cramped for larger people. While the earlier AA-1s and AA-5s did not change much from year to year the AA-5B Tiger underwent almost continual improvement. CTAF audio is included. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft . It's faster than a 172 and carries about the same load (typically about 800-850 lb useful), but is not as tolerant of grass or extremely short runways. Thank you for being a part of the Cessna 172 Club! A number of these became known as Gulfstream Americans when Gulfstream bought the Grumman line and sold them through 1979. On the other hand, smaller people may struggle to fly the Cessna 172, particularly earlier models. One maintainer reports that the majority of incidents he sees are a result of runway overruns that began with excessive speed on final approach. The later versions produced in the 1990s and 2000s will cost a bit more with prices in the $75,000 to $100,000 range. Although the airplane hasnt been manufactured for quite some time, Greg said parts are easy to get. So what are both these Cessna aircraft like to fly? As with the AA-5A, the AA-5B was continued in production by Gulfstream when they purchased Grumman's American division. Its well suited for primary training or cross-country flying with the right equipment. . Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by BellyUpFish, Aug 29, 2011. The main reason for looking for alternative aircraft would be if you do not like high wing aircraft. TheFlying Educators requires members to already have their Private Pilot Certificate, but Greg would recommend the aircraft as a primary trainer. Free shipping . I know the horizontal stab on the Traveler is smaller than the one on the Tiger/Cheetah. Rated at 150HP, albeit at a well-established club who just celebrated 90 years of and. Eye level inside flying hours enough to be a family or business.. Beiden Seiten aufklappbare Cowling und ein verbessertes Heizungs- und Lftungssystem not like high wing aircraft you fixed cost like,. 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